They say that Paradise will be perfect

12 07 2011

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
doesn’t make any sense.

You don’t have “bad” days and “good” days.
You don’t sometimes feel brilliant and sometimes dumb.
There’s no studying, no scholarly thinking
having to do with love,
but there is a great deal of puffing, and secret touching,
and nights you can’t remember at all.

When I die, lay out the corpse.
You may want to kiss my lips,
just beginning to decay.
Don’t be frightened
if I open my eyes.

They say that Paradise will be perfect
with lots of clear white wine
and all the beautiful women.
We hold on to times like this then,
since this is how it’s going to be.

We have a huge barrel of wine, but no cups.
That’s fine with us. Every morning
we glow and in the evening we glow again.
They say there’s no future for us.
They’re right.
Which is fine with us.

-Rumi, as translated by Coleman Barks


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13 07 2011
Anonymous

Most Americans believe that America is a Christian Nation. Actually, it is a Calvinist [Reformed Protestant] country. Just how “Christian” that is, is a matter for debate.

Luther claimed that Calvin was more interested in the glory of God than in the God of glory.

Whoever shall maintain that wrong is done to heretics and blasphemers in punishing them makes himself an accomplice in their crime and guilty as they are. There is no question here of man’s authority; it is God who speaks, and clear it is what law he will have kept in the church, even to the end of the world. Wherefore does he demand of us a so extreme severity, if not to show us that due honor is not paid him, so long as we set not his service above every human consideration, so that we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and forget all humanity when the matter is to combat for His glory.
–John Calvin, defending the execution of Michael Servetus

12 07 2011
SAM

It’s so simple.Honor your confirmation vows.Follow the church.And after perhaps a lttle cleansing in purgatory you will find out for yourself what Paradise is like.Just make sure you run quickly from the new American church and it’s love of war and torture and all will be well with you.

12 07 2011
Anonymous

“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase each other
doesn’t make any sense.”

This reminds me of Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil:

Whatever is done for love always occurs beyond good and evil.
–Friedrich Nietzsche

I have forgotten the source; but I also like the concept that there is no punishment, only consequences.

Sufi spirituality has always appealed to me:

The spiritual challenge of our time is to realize our sacred humanness, that there need not be a conflict between the natural and the supernatural, between the finite and the infinite, between time and eternity, between practicality and mysticism, between social justice and contemplation, between sexuality and spirituality, between our human fulfillment and our spiritual realization, between what is most human and what is most sacred.
–Kabir Helminski, The Knowing Heart: A Sufi Path of Transformation

29 05 2008
The Shepherd

This might be my new favorite of his…




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